old13
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Posted 1 month ago
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^ Not to me!
one00_proof
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Posted 1 month ago
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Imagine if Sarah Palin was president... that's why I voted for Obama. (And that is a very real possibility given how old Mccain is.)
66pack
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Posted 1 month ago
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yes race was a reason he was elected.he got 99% of black vote,99% of the dead vote,99% of all fraudulant vote.
otisthetowndrunk
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Posted 1 month ago
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^lol 00proof
TheCOWDOG
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Posted 1 month ago
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Seriously, the fact that "oh well, that's just the way it would have gone with anyone" is just an ignorant assessment.
Pride, I've had assessments called many things over time. Ignorant is an adjective that I can't recall being used. Ignorance implies a lack of knowledge and a refusal to gain or seek such.
My personality is not composed of extremely thick skin. Therefore, I'm inclined to suggest you take that opinion and rephrase it. I'm not immune to VA's terrible and swift sword, which is almost certain to fall, soon.
JEOH2
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Posted 1 month ago
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I love when people make huge, insulting, generalizations about why people voted for a candidate..."laziness" and "ignorance" what a silly statement...this is why I normally avoid these ridiculous political threads...
otisthetowndrunk
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Posted 1 month ago
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I am with you JEOH2, I am kind of disappointed in myself for taking the troll bait.
66pack
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Posted 1 month ago
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reel them in
SeaWolf
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Posted 1 month ago
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Cowdog:
I'm not here to fight Pride's battles, but would any of Obama's reform or trillions of dollars of government spending have happened if "any other candidate" would've been elected? I don't think so. My beef with Obama is just that. Stop spending money. People love to say that republicans spend as much as democrats. I disagree (but that's another argument). I just know that McCain wouldn't have spent more government money in his first 6 months than any President ever has over the course of their tenure. I think it's ignorant to think otherwise. At the least it's ignoring the facts.
JasonP
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Posted 1 month ago
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Intelligent contributions are always welcome JEOH2. You just have to wade through the insults sometimes.
Statefan1998
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Posted 1 month ago
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66, are you of the train of thought that he was not truly elected?
packplantpath
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Posted 1 month ago
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Seawolf,
People love to say that republicans spend as much as democrats. I disagree
How can you disagree. It is an indisputable fact that the only people that outspend democrats are republicans. For all their high and mighty talk, they play the spending game well. The numbers do not lie. They spend on different things, sure, but the fact remains they spend quite well.
Republicans only make austerity measures when democrats are in charge. Frankly, I think obama losing the house and senate will be the best thing that ever happened to him. It worked great for clinton (well, that and he was on the upswing of the bubble).
If republicans would actually stand behind their rhetoric, and get rid of large swaths of their social engineering policies, I would actually vote for them. As it stands, knowing that both parties are going to spend like mad, I'm left either with a protest vote for a true libertarian candidate or voting for democrats because I align slightly better with (some of) their social policies.
Neither is a good choice.
Statefan1998
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Posted 1 month ago
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People tend to forget that Obama had that 1.4 trillion dollar budget carry over from the last adminisration. The passing of TARP is responsible for that number.
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/07/16/most_think_bank_bailout_came_during_obama_term.html
The public is truly not informed on many issues, Democrat and Republicans.
JasonP
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Posted 1 month ago
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TARP - the largest money laundering bill I've ever seen.
Richard Burr voted for TARP, btw.
SeaWolf
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Posted 1 month ago
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Republicans have never spent nearly 2 trillion dollars over the course of a year and a half.
That's this number: 2,000,000,000,000. 12 zeroes.
SeaWolf
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Posted 1 month ago
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Richard Burr voted for TARP, btw.
Just like every nearly every democrat voted for the Iraq war.
TheCOWDOG
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Posted 1 month ago
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Cowdog:I'm not here to fight Pride's battles, but would any of Obama's reform or trillions of dollars of government spending have happened if "any other candidate" would've been elected? I don't think so. My beef with Obama is just that. Stop spending money. People love to say that republicans spend as much as democrats. I disagree (but that's another argument). I just know that McCain wouldn't have spent more government money in his first 6 months than any President ever has over the course of their tenure. I think it's ignorant to think otherwise. At the least it's ignoring the facts.
Because I am so apolitical, not out of a lack of knowledge mind you, I see no real existencial difference of party lines. Money spent, money held back. Who's to say that either would not have separate but equal ramifications.
My previous " assessment " may be termed simplistic or even flippant. Not ignorant.
Pride, there, I've even offered some adjectives for you.
Statefan1998
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Posted 1 month ago
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seawolf, two wrongs don't make a right.
SeaWolf
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Posted 1 month ago
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seawolf, two wrongs don't make a right.
That's my point. Why bring up Burr in the first place?
packplantpath
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Posted 1 month ago
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Republicans have never spent nearly 2 trillion dollars over the course of a year and a half.
No, they do worse. They vote for $400 billion dollar expansion of medicare. This is not a one time cost. This is annual costs, that will only rise, promised to pay in perpetuity.
JasonP
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Posted 1 month ago
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Seawolf, just bringing him up to show that IMO, no real difference in party spending.
SeaWolf
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Posted 1 month ago
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Y'all aren't changing my mind, I'm not changing yours.
I'm officially banning myself from this thread.
Plz2BStateFan
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Posted 1 month ago
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Two Words
Sarag Palin
Four Words
Ignore Rant Race Ist
Seven Words
I like ChikFila Break fast and boobies
NCStatePride
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Posted 1 month ago
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My previous " assessment " may be termed simplistic or even flippant. Not ignorant.Pride, there, I've even offered some adjectives for you.
You can phrase it how you like. I stand by my previous words that saying a Republican would have "accomplished" the same things Obama has done is a very ignorant assessment of the facts or the agendas/motivations of the different parties. In what world do you think a generic Republican congress and president would pass multiple 'stimulus' packages, multiple bailouts, and a healthcare insurance package including groundworks for a public option? Basically, at this point it's a matter of anti-Republican rhetoric against anti-Democrat results. One has a lot more concrete evidence than the other.
acc 10k
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Posted 1 month ago
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First of all, I only clicked on this thread because I thought it was about Marvin Austin. I have no idea how he got so many all-ACC votes when he is likely not playing this fall.
Second, for some factual perspective, there are about 1 million registered black voters in NC. Obama had ~2.4 million votes, so the majority of his votes were from non-blacks.
Posters on this message board are overwhelming (>95%?) male. It's a decent bet that they are white, since most are NC State grads and in recent years I think NCSU has been 10-12% black with over half of the black students female; and graduation cohorts are more white than the student population, and more female among blacks than the general student body. And almost everyone who posts here is southern, because they went to NC State. So realistically, above 80% of the posters here southern white males. That is a group that is going to skew way more conservative than the population norm. Add in that everyone who visits this site is a sports fan (more conservative than non-fans), and that male NC State grads are more conservative than typical college grads (because of predominance of engineering and hard sciences), and you have a recipe for a group that strongly supported McCain even though NC narrowly went for Obama.
Further, the political culture of this site is aggressively conservative. Quite a lot of it repeats things that many people who disagree with it would call non-fact-based conservative echo-chamber talking points. That same kind of thing exists on liberal websites - not questioning anyone's right to express anything. But if you come here to read about NC State sports, and don't agree with the prevailing conservative ethos, you don't get involved in those discussions. It isn't what you came for, and it is quite clear from both the headlines on multiple forum posts per week, and from political comments that frequently sneak into what started as a pure Wolfpack sports item, that opposing opinions are not going to be well-received. There is an assumption among many posters that their political statements are facts, and no reasonable person could disagree.
That is a recipe for only having one set of views expressed. In my opinion, that is one too many. There is no shortage of active political discussion sites on any side of the issues. There is a shortage of really good sites for news about Wolfpack sports. I've seriously considered dropping this site from my regular reading, because of the increase in political commentary, but there is no other site dedicated to NC State sports that updates frequently enough to be considered a real news site. I'd assume a lot of other people feel the same way, and there is absolutely no reason to think that they would decide to stick up for the liberal point of view while they are checking out the basketball recruiting news.
Two words: Mouth Breathers
They love getting hot and bothered on anonymous forums. Normal, rational people have better uses of time
Pack Mentality
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Posted 1 month ago
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Hey, I'm Pissed off. What we really need is someone telling me what sexual acts can be done in the bedroom and coming down hard on marijuana offenders. A REAL American, not this limp wristed crap.
BillyTheKid
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Posted 1 month ago
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THANK YOU! acc 10k thank you so much. You took the words right out of my mouth.
JasonP
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Posted 1 month ago
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acc10k, i'd be willing to bet the increase in political discussions is closely related to offseason for all NC State sports. come late August, it'll be put to bed for a while.
Texpack
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Posted 1 month ago
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I'm really pretty puzzled by Obama's fall from grace with those who voted for him. All of his domestic initiatives have been right in line with what I expected based on the campaign and his track record. I guess there were people who were naive enough to believe that he could have us out of Iraq and Afghanistan in a year, but that is about the only thing he has done that people could really point to and say he didn't follow up on his campaign promises or he deviated from his core political philosophy as deduced from his record.
The biggest problem Obama has among his voters is that they actually believe that the government can "create jobs and fix the economy" by spending and then "raising taxes on the rich" to pay for it. When that didn't work the quick fix crowd soured on him.
