Plz2BStateFan
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My prediction.
99% chance Marvin sits out at least 1 game.
90% chance Marvin is done at UNC.
80% chance Marvin is done at UNC and 1 other UNC player(Litte most likely) misses games.
50% chance that UNC is charged with loosing institutional control.
40% chance UNC faces some sort of NCAA sanction other than loss of scholarships.
30% chance that players other than Marvin and Little are involved and will miss games.
30% chance UNC faces severe NCAA sanctions.
Supposedly UNC is not allowed to conduct an internal review until the NCAA investigation is complete. So its possible that nobody in the UNC programs knows the full extent of the violations.
It makes me sad that there isnt anymore news coming out of UNC or the NCAA. I need the NCAA to say something to jibba jabba about it!
GoldenChain
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Posted 1 month ago
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Supposedly UNC is not allowed to conduct an internal review until the NCAA investigation is complete. So its possible that nobody in the UNC programs knows the full extent of the violations.
THIS is the reason that I think it is complete BS whatever Butch and his assistants are telling the incoming recruits.....then again, they probably weren't truthful with them to this point so why change now?
The truth is they have no idea what is coming down and I don't even think the NCAA knows themselves at this stage.
plz2B, I still think there will at least be some scholarships penalties which will be a big image blow to the program.
I agree 100% with Pride, whatever happens BD will stay long enough to try to save some face but in the end he will move on or be asked in some form or fashion to move on.
....of course Austin will be blamed in the 'anals' of hole sports for short circuiting the BD era.
NCStatePride
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Posted 1 month ago
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^I think your last line explains the skepticism of many who want to see UNC get what they deserve. There hasn't been an abundance of public reporting on this story, so a lot of people are afraid this thing will just 'go away'. We have to keep in mind that the NCAA has had a team of people working near full-time on this since March. At this point in time, too much has been sunk into this investigation to just let this sink.
DiscoStu65
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Posted 1 month ago
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part of me wants to see this resolved before the season starts. the other part of me wouldn't mind seeing butch suit up any and everyone for a couple of games, maybe win those games only for the ncaa to finally rule that he's been playing with ineligable players and then the wins become losses immediately.
if the ncaa hasn't ruled by, oh say that coveted lsu game, does butch sit some folks in anticipation or just let them play b/c obviously the ncaa didn't find anything wrong or else they would have let him know by then right? laughable!
NCStatePride
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Posted 1 month ago
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I'd rather just watch them lose all season. If they win and have the loses revoked, it's funny, but you still watch their squad "win" several weeks that I'de rather see them... you know... Louiseville.
newt
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Posted 1 month ago
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@bomani_jones:
given the connections between wichard and john blake, i have no idea where this tar heel optimism is coming form.
newt
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Posted 1 month ago
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@SBJLizMullen:
SBJ: Sources: NCAA probing who paid for UNC’s Marvin Austin’s training at Calif. facility where agent Gary Wichard trains rookie clients.
That's Sports Business Journal
WolfQuacker
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Posted 1 month ago
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I have officially stopped caring. It is obvious they are somehow still able to draw top-tier recruits amidst a huge "scandal" investigation. I am more concerned with the state of things in Raleigh since I'm convinced at this point come our matchup in November, they'll be full strength. I have lost all faith this is going anywhere, given the Teflon-like properties of Butchie and crew. You know Swofford is lobbying for them big time, and recent rumors and evidence points to this being a mountain reduced to a molehill.
Plz2BStateFan
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Posted 1 month ago
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Everyone cares. You can try to convince yourself you dont care so that when the decision is made you are not let down or surprised. But every one of you cares. Thats why you visit this thread.
I mean. "UNC is under NCAA investigation." How often has that happened in your lifetime? Its huge!
You also care because its the only thing to discuss that isnt a country album, baseball, or womens softball on ESPN.
You will 'start caring' a great deal if the NCAA punishes UNC.
whitefang
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Posted 1 month ago
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Perhaps this is wishful thinking, but I think this might be a "perfect storm" brewing against the Holes.
First it certainly sounds Reggie Bush-like in what went on. With the crackdown on football U, USC, I don't see any way they let UNC skate.
Second UNC is not a football school obviously. As long as this doesn't taint the sacred basketball program, the NCAA has the opportunity to tout its control and enforcement by sanctioning another high-profile institution without damaging the money pot. I mean if UNC isn't included in the bowl picture at the end of the season, there's nothing unusual there and no net loss of revenue. It is basketball season by then after all.
Third Butch Davis/NFL rumors have been plenty over his UNC tenure. I never saw him as longterm in Chapel Hill anyway, and I don't believe many did. I think at the end of the day he's easy to "sacrifice" as he goes back to the NFL "on his own" without accepting any official blame, UNC "cleans up the mess", brings in a coach to do so, and basketball season starts.
Fourth Swofford has heard about his UNC bias for years which exists and which he would like to hide. Here's his chance to "prove" he is the man looking out for the overall good of the ACC, so he shakes his head, accepts the "punishment" as good for college athletics and the ACC in particular, and by then guess what? It's basketball season.
newt
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Posted 1 month ago
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Holy crap, there's a lot coming out this a.m. on Twitter:
@Darren_Heitner:
Received word that the state investigation at UNC could turn into a federal investigation soon. USAO looking into it.
That's the sports agent blog dude.
GoldenChain
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Posted 1 month ago
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Quacker, on the one hand I understand how folks like you feel, then again I can't understand at all.
USC got NAILED for something similar and in f'ball where they certainly were one of the top 5 programs perennially.
What makes you think unx has more pull with the NCAA?
Also the fact that it seems to involve more than one school makes it all the harder to sweep it under the rug through the good ole boy network.
If this were basketball then maybe so, since its football I see no way that unx skates.
However, I do agree about concerns over our program.
GoldenChain
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Posted 1 month ago
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BTW, what Newt just posted says volumes.....
....if the Feds get involved in this I see no way for the NCAA to save face other than to dish out severe punishments to all the programs involved! Otherwise they could be seen as condoning felonies.
WTH are they gonna say? "well I know some Grand Jury indictments were handed out ....but our investigation didn't find any wrong-doing"!!!!
Besides, I side with BD's 1st wife, the one he had before he bolted for the HS cheerleader, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy!LOL
WolfQuacker
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Posted 1 month ago
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I'm with you GC, but I don't feel empowered, don't have any inside information, and can't figure out which "latest great source" info to believe. I'm trying to balance drinking the media's Kool-Aid with wearing a tinfoil hat and have come to the conclusion that I'll know the outcome when everyone else does. I'm just pissed to see UNX pulling a 3* DB from VA during all this crap when we can't seem to get past four recruits for the '11 class, with a 5th that already reneged. I learned a long time ago, when I have no control over a situation, to wish for the best - but expect the worst. This applies double when the issue is associated with Wolfpack athletics.
Daily Update
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Posted 1 month ago
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NCAA sanctions and the involvement of the Federal govt have nothing to do with each other.
NCStatePride
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Posted 1 month ago
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Yeah, Quaker, not to beat a dead horse, but I think you're completely off-base.
"It is obvious they are somehow still able to draw top-tier recruits amidst a huge "scandal" investigation."
UNC has been getting investigated for a week. What the Hell did you expect to happen in a week? Your claim that UNC is able to still "draw top-tier recruits amidst a huge scandal" is kind of silly since the scandal has only been public for less than a month. How many of these recruits were brought into UNC in the past week?
newt
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Posted 1 month ago
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In my view a lot of the outcome concerning UNC hinges on if the agent who threw the party was named Gary Wichard, or at least to what extent he is associated with some of these improper benefits.
I think right now, NOBODY knows how this investigation will play out, including UNC coaches and all media types.
I remember a lot of "facts" about the NC State investigation and almost none of them actually carried over into the final NCAA report. For my part, I recall no discussion of selling shoes and tickets until the NCAA announced their findings.
I realize that was a differnt time without the Internet, but I still am getting the sense that the NCAA operates pretty much in solitude and with pretty tight lips. Nobody saw the USC punishment coming...
It's fun to pass around rumors, but I really think it's wait and see what the NCAA finds.
GoldenChain
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Posted 1 month ago
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NCAA sanctions and the involvement of the Federal govt have nothing to do with each other.
I don't agree with that at all.
Update, while on the legal end I see what you're saying (the NCAA is and has no leagl authority other than that granted by the member institutions), on the other I don't.
If the NCAA is to have any cred at all as a governing body and save any face then they can't claim 'NO' lack of institutional control at unx while watching some players get convicted of felonies for breaking laws governing interaction between players and agents.
Daily Update
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What laws would UNC players have broken? The federal and state investigations would only have to do with laws being broken by agents. It is not against the law to accept money from agents while you are a student-athlete.
Reggie Bush didn't break any laws for example.
packplantpath
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Posted 1 month ago
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What laws would UNC players have broken?
Clearly Greg Little is into dogfighting.
I keed, I keed. I doubt the rumors of the Fed getting involved unless this is waaaaay worse than recruiting violations. The fed could care less about that.
baxter
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Posted 1 month ago
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maybe acting as a runner across state lines?
WolfQuacker
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Posted 1 month ago
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Yeah, Quaker, not to beat a dead horse, but I think you're completely off-base.
Easy there Pride. I'm just saying, when a 3* DB commits to UNC this weekend, and we haven't had a new commit other than a Kicker and LS since mid-June, it's disheartening. I don't know why you are so defensive. They have had 8 commits in July - 4 4*s, 3 3*s, and 1 2*. Not sure how many of those are post-scandal, but we were getting our asses kicked to begin with, and even one more commit amidst the investigation makes me wonder "what's so attractive about that program, that we don't seem to have". Maybe it's dirty, but I'm guessing not so much (regarding recruits). Maybe I'm wrong about that, but don't hammer me for feeling this way over our, thus far, horrible recruiting year.
Edit: Just to be clear, it's not just UNX that I am alluding to kicking our asses in recruiting, I simply reference their success here since it seems to continue in spite of the investigation.
wbnation
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Posted 1 month ago
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can someone explain to me the timing of this whole thing. The NCAA has been investigating since March or April, but nothing is leaked until July. Is it just a coincidence that this was released just a couple of weeks before practice begins? I think the NCAA had to allow Carolina to state that they were under investigation so that they could explain why a couple of their players weren't practicing. Carolina would have had a hard time coming up with an excuse why Austin and or Little weren't at practice.
Whether or not the school is held accountable for anything, I do believe that a few players will be ruled ineligible for this year.
NCStatePride
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First of all, Quacker, I think the 'hammering' is just in your head. You seemed to be pretty emphatical about your frustrations that UNC could 'still recruit' and my point is that having a school be under investigation for a week, publically, is hardily reason for a recruit, whose been mulling over his college career for quite some time, to not make a verbal commitment, if for no other reason than to test the waters. Don't bring our recruiting into this because until we see what lasting effects will transpire out of this scandal, UNC's issues have nothing to do with our own recruiting. Let's leave the connection between UNC falling and NC State picking up the recruits for when we are confident something will happen.
wbnation, my understanding is that the NCAA had to come public with the investigation as of late simply because the investigation has become mature enough to actually speak with student-athletes on-campus. Once you breech that line, you know people will start talking and the insulation to the process can no longer be protected. I think the NCAA came out about these allegations just because of the stage in the investigation, not because of "timing".
Plz2BStateFan
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No, this is what happened.
The NCAA contacted Swofford, UNC's AD, and Butchie. The NCAA asked them if they could investigate THE University of North Carolina. Only after those three told the NCAA to throw away allegations that they didnt like did UNC allow the NCAA to come into heaven that is chapell hill from the gutter of Rawlee.
The NCAA is after USC, UF, UGA, and Alabama. UNC wants to see them all suffer. So UNC is using the NCAA to acheive this purpose.
Nothing will happen to Gods university.
UNC controls everything!
GoldenChain
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Reggie Bush didn't break any laws for example.
Daily,
....who else in the 'Reggie situation' was accused, charged or convicted of breaking any laws.....
....which play exactly into my court!
If the State AG or the Feds get involved in the unx case from a criminal pov it certainly indicates to me that it is worse than the USC situation.
But hey, that's just me.
And Quacker, listen, whether its Pride or me, we certainly understand. Damn, it's like WPNation has been the whipping boy for over two decades! That's a hard mindset to overcome. But hey some of us are old enough to remember when this was not the case.
As Mrs Wopacker constantly tells me, "every dog has his day".
This is the closest we've ever been to seeing unx 'get their due' so listen, its hard for me to have a hang dawg attitude even though experience would tell me to do that.
WolfQuacker
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Posted 1 month ago
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UNC's issues have nothing to do with our own recruiting
I don't see how this is even remotely true when nearly every kid we recruit is also considering UNX. We'll agree to disagree about why a kid would or wouldn't wait to see the outcome, BEFORE making that verbal. Does it matter if they have been under investigation for a week or months, when the staff is obviously extending promises this whole deal is a non-issue?
Unfortunately we compete in a market with 4 other D1 schools, and any time we are last in that category (by a decent margin in most instances) in late July, I start to question what's going on. Add an investigation to that equation, especially when said school has scooped up a good chunk of the blue chip NC kids, I am concerned. Kudos if you can remain more optimistic, but I'm not here to argue with anyone either - I get enough of that from the hole fans.
NCStatePride
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We'll agree to disagree about why a kid would or wouldn't wait to see the outcome, BEFORE making that verbal.
There is no 'agree to disagree' about this one, Quacker. It's pretty damn common for a recruit to find it in their best interests to go ahead and make a verbal commitment so other schools will take more notice of him (i.e. 'Oh, someone else is trying to get him? We better make an offer.'). I'm just saying that landing a verbal commitment means nothing. If you disagree, I urge you to look at the various verbal commitments NC State has landed over the years.
Honestly, I'm just not sure what you're 'not arguing', and maybe it's that you're talking about something completely different from the thread's subject. Are you saying that NC State sucks because UNC got a verbal commitment? Is it that you expect after a week of investigations all of UNC's players to abandon their school? Please help me to understand what you're getting at.
Plz2BStateFan
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From Pack Pride
AlleyOops wrote: Miller Safrit of Scout is tweeting from ACC kickoff. He quotes Swofford: "#accfbk Swofford: "We have a situation where an institution could b penalized and a player may be penalized.""Must be getting real serious if Swofford even admitted this was a possibility. Would love UNC to lose some schollies.
Pack78
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I well remember the investigation into Corey Maggette at Duke BB who had taken $$$ and favors as a freshman from an agent (Tank Black from Columbia IIRC?). He bolted for the NBA and we all waited in vain for the NCAA to invalidate Coach K's 30+ win season. I had the same feeling during the USC-Bush,Mayo investigation dragging out for years with no apparent resolution. I think that the holes know that they have a USC-ish situation on their hands, and they are well aware that the USC administration's arrogance played a large role in the nailing that FINALLY followed. UNX is fully cooperating in an attempt to lessen the sh*t-storm heading toward the 'public ivy'.