http://www.statefansnationforums.com/ StateFans Nation Forums » Topic: WRAL story - last season's squad was selfish en Wed, 08 Sep 2010 06:23:47 +0000 http://www.statefansnationforums.com/topic.php?id=321#post-5134 Sun, 18 Oct 2009 03:37:26 +0000 highstick 5134@http://www.statefansnationforums.com/ <p>Uh, guys, he is not to be referred to as &quot;Send..&quot; or &quot;Her.&quot;. It&#39;s HWSNBN! Get with it! </p> http://www.statefansnationforums.com/topic.php?id=321#post-5127 Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:40:14 +0000 Wulfpack 5127@http://www.statefansnationforums.com/ <p>Enough of the excuses. I don&#39;t care. Makes no difference to me. It&#39;s the coach&#39;s job to nip this junk in the bud. Sid hasn&#39;t up to this point. </p> http://www.statefansnationforums.com/topic.php?id=321#post-5066 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:50:10 +0000 LKNpackfan 5066@http://www.statefansnationforums.com/ <p>If &quot;those&quot; guys were juniors/rs-sophomores the first time, then yes, it could be used two years in a row... </p> http://www.statefansnationforums.com/topic.php?id=321#post-5016 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:01:09 +0000 GAWolf 5016@http://www.statefansnationforums.com/ <p>See I always thought he threw others under the bus... he just seemed to be smart of enough to do it with backhanded compliments. I paraphrase: &quot;We played hard and did a lot of good things but we just missed some open looks that could have made the difference.&quot; Translated: &quot;My offense gets open looks and the guys can&#39;t shoot. it&#39;s their fault we lost today.&quot; Reality: &quot;The weave and heave only works when your team shoots 40 percent from behind the arc b/c you get no second looks and who cares that on our last 5 possessions we didn&#39;t get a shot off, twice after time outs.&quot; </p> http://www.statefansnationforums.com/topic.php?id=321#post-5007 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:26:38 +0000 BJD95 5007@http://www.statefansnationforums.com/ <p>Oh, Sendek was an awful excuse maker. No question. But he did at least make them on his own behalf. </p> http://www.statefansnationforums.com/topic.php?id=321#post-5006 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:23:31 +0000 GAWolf 5006@http://www.statefansnationforums.com/ <p>It&#39;s funny how different folks read others differently. I always thought Herb was as sly as the next guy and in no means worthy of his clean cut and supposedly straight-forward image. He always reminded me of the preacher who will try to sleep with your wife and misappropriate your tithes. He used underhanded, mind-trick excuses to cover his own ass weekly. I felt he thought us, as in the collective bunch of State fans, weren&#39;t smart enough to read between the lines of his post-game comments. </p> http://www.statefansnationforums.com/topic.php?id=321#post-5004 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:57:48 +0000 BJD95 5004@http://www.statefansnationforums.com/ <p>I think one of Lowe&#39;s WORST qualities is how he lets others put out messages for him. He does it with respect to &quot;blame the guys no longer here&quot; BS (as SFN said, this is two years in a row for that trick) and is doing it HARD with respect to Harrow/Brown blackmail strategy. </p> <p>At least Sendek had the nads to say &quot;Julius goes where I go&quot; with his own mouth when he was on the hot seat. </p> http://www.statefansnationforums.com/topic.php?id=321#post-5003 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:56:20 +0000 Tiew 5003@http://www.statefansnationforums.com/ <p>I really don&#39;t like this kind of thing. It seems unclassy. </p> http://www.statefansnationforums.com/topic.php?id=321#post-4999 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:16:43 +0000 highstick 4999@http://www.statefansnationforums.com/ <p>I guess this is the &quot;chemistry equation&quot; that we&#39;ve heard about for several years. </p> http://www.statefansnationforums.com/topic.php?id=321#post-4998 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:08:13 +0000 tvp1 4998@http://www.statefansnationforums.com/ <p>Why should anyone be surprised that the players are saying this? Lowe himself said essentially the same thing this spring when addressing boosters. He implied that some of the departed players were not good teammates.</p> <p>Let&#39;s hope it&#39;s true and we go 10-6 this year. I am skeptic until I see results. </p> http://www.statefansnationforums.com/topic.php?id=321#post-4978 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:13:18 +0000 packplantpath 4978@http://www.statefansnationforums.com/ <p>Did anybody else notice the pic of sid on the wral page? Has he gone on a crash diet, or is that pic stretched? </p> http://www.statefansnationforums.com/topic.php?id=321#post-4973 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:55:24 +0000 GoldenChain 4973@http://www.statefansnationforums.com/ <p>I agree that it always appeared that there was something not right about the chemistry and the effort last year and the year before. Even on SFN many were saying &#39;play the young guys because they play harder&#39;. I suspect that there is some truth to the comments. Then again I can also see Lowe allowing players to to think and say this because it buys some time i.e. &quot;I know its the 4th season but its really like the 1st because of the bad apples I had in here. Now we have to REALLY start the building process and in two or three seasons.....&quot;<br /> If you know what I mean Vern.</p> <p>I do think that there was some comment-coaching because no names were called. </p> http://www.statefansnationforums.com/topic.php?id=321#post-4971 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:45:39 +0000 GAWolf 4971@http://www.statefansnationforums.com/ <p>Honestly, I think there&#39;s truth to that. At least from what I saw on the court it&#39;s plausible. I always thought T.Smith and even Mays played notoriously harder than the rest. Also, the gf issue had nothing to do with Hickson. Hickson always got blamed for something he had nothing to do with except for the fact he was better than some upperclassmen who pouted about it. He was never a part of the chemistry problems from his own doing....unlike, as you&#39;ve pointed out, some of the others who broke some serious man-code when it came to their teammates. </p> http://www.statefansnationforums.com/topic.php?id=321#post-4970 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:39:48 +0000 StateFans 4970@http://www.statefansnationforums.com/ <p>Two years in a row that the annual version of the team criticized the previous version as being selfish and also proclaiming that this year would be different. </p> http://www.statefansnationforums.com/topic.php?id=321#post-4967 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:02:48 +0000 Alpha Wolf 4967@http://www.statefansnationforums.com/ <p>If it is true, it is refreshing honesty rarely seen in today&#39;s PR disguised as sports journalism. </p> <p>If it is not really true, it is an indication of problems that still lay unresolved. </p> http://www.statefansnationforums.com/topic.php?id=321#post-4966 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:48:01 +0000 howlie 4966@http://www.statefansnationforums.com/ <p>One amazingly admirable characteristic of Coach Lowe is his diplomacy.<br /> He had it as a college student [google his address before the NC Legislature after winning the title in &#39;83] and throughout his career.</p> <p>YOU WOULD THINK he would &#39;prep&#39; players for these interviews, ESPECIALLY in regards to these types of questions about toxic chemistry of the past.</p> <p>Unless he believed it was the right time to air dirty laundry... &amp; if he ever &quot;approved&quot; of that, you would have thought it would have come when he could have done something about it and cleaned it. </p> http://www.statefansnationforums.com/topic.php?id=321#post-4963 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:15:26 +0000 sautz 4963@http://www.statefansnationforums.com/ <p>Maybe coach didn&#39;t lose his teams if he never had them in the first place. Is that any better? Guess we&#39;ll find out this year. </p> http://www.statefansnationforums.com/topic.php?id=321#post-4962 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:42:30 +0000 ncsufan13 4962@http://www.statefansnationforums.com/ <p>Nothing like taking responsibility for your mistakes.. Oh wait, just dump on players who aren&#39;t a part of the program anymore. I think its interesting that they talk about team loyalty while at the same time ripping their former teammates. </p> http://www.statefansnationforums.com/topic.php?id=321#post-4961 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:35:24 +0000 FunPack 4961@http://www.statefansnationforums.com/ <p>I guess I shouldn&#39;t be surprised. It seemed like something unseen was always off with that group. I hope like heck this problem is solved now. </p> http://www.statefansnationforums.com/topic.php?id=321#post-4960 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:34:08 +0000 packpowerfan 4960@http://www.statefansnationforums.com/ <p>That&#39;s an interesting story, but I wonder how much of it is fluff and how much is reality. Sure, there were obvious issues with Hickson/Grant (something with a mutual girlfriend, supposedly), and Costner/Fells/the rest of the team; but I wonder how much had an effect on W&#39;s and L&#39;s. Team unity is a huge part of the game, but a perfectly unified team can&#39;t always overcome shoddy coaching and game management. </p> http://www.statefansnationforums.com/topic.php?id=321#post-4957 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:15:42 +0000 WV Wolf 4957@http://www.statefansnationforums.com/ <p><a href="http://www.wralsportsfan.com/ncsu/story/6227619/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wralsportsfan.com/ncsu/story/6227619/</a></p> <p>Very interesting quotes from Julius Mays:<br /> &quot;We have no individual just about themselves. When I got here, we&#39;ve had players that have been more about themselves. They&#39;d rather score 30 points than N.C. State win the game.</p> <p>&quot;You can&#39;t win like that. We&#39;ve also had players that try to turn other players against Coach to get them on their page instead of Coach&#39;s page. You can&#39;t win like that.&quot;</p> <p>And Tracy Smith:<br /> &quot;Last year and the year before that, everybody wanted to come in and play their own way,&quot; Smith said. &quot;I don&#39;t think we&#39;ll have that problem. Everybody&#39;s on the same page.&quot; </p>